Travel distance to NXN Regionals - a reason for rearranging the regional borders (tl;dr Summary)

A summary of the previous three posts:

Some of the NXN regions are very big, geographically. Adding on additional region, and re-arranging some others, can go a LONG ways to increasing the accessibility of the Nike Cross Nationals series, which could lead to an even bigger boost to the sport than the series has already given us.

Pros: More equitable travel time for teams around the nation, which should lead to greater participation in the regional meets (a big plus in many ways, both immediate and long-term for the sport and possibly Nike as well); more teams and individuals able to compete for a national title in Portland.

Cons: There would be a knee-jerk reaction to at least two of the changes, though if one were to look deeper they would be less important if not non-issues (NY girls in an actual regional, SE getting split up); Nike would have to pay for 10 more individuals and 6 more teams (combined).

Links: Post I - Post II - Post III

Travel distance to NXN Regionals - a reason for rearranging the regional borders (Part III)

 (this post is part of a series of 3, see the first post here and the previous one here)

One final thought to close the post… it would be wise to consider how these changes would have affected things in years past, as that might give us an idea of what these changes might mean from if they were ever implemented.

2007 teams added: 2 boys teams from Utah, Baylor TN (SE#3) boys, Bozeman MT (NW#3) girls, Dakota Ridge CO (SW#3) girls, and two additional girls at-large teams anywhere outside of the Northeast.

2007 teams subtracted: None of boys (unless NXN#22 Thomas Jefferson got edged out at the Mid-Atlantic regional), while on the girls side NXN#11 Warwick Valley NY wouldn’t have made it out of the Northeast.

Thoughts on 2007 additions/subtractions: Bozeman and possibly Dakota Ridge were both on par with Warwick Valley anyways, and two new at-large invites could have been handed out, so it would be a net positive. On the other hand, I don’t know if the two at-large invites would have gone to teams better than Warwick Valley. Boys would essentially not be a changed field, as the Utah teams that year weren’t all that great, and Baylor wasn’t far off of the other Southeast teams but the Southeast AQ teams finished #18 and #22 anyways.

2008 teams added: Daviess County KY (SE#3), Cibola AZ (SW#3), American Fork UT (SW#4) for the boys; Hidden Valley VA (SE#3), Mountain Brook AL (SE#6), Davis UT (SW#3) and Mountain Crest UT (SW#5) for the girls.

2008 teams subtracted: either NXN#14 Lincoln-Sudbury MA or NXN#6 Newton South MA. Obviously those two didn’t finish in the same order every time out (LS won NXR, but Newton South was much better at Nationals), but it would be a loss either way. However, it is also possible that NEITHER Massachusetts team made it to nationals: NY#5 Shenendehowa scored slightly better in the NY/NE merge that year, though running head to head may or may not have changed that score as it was close (15 points between the three teams).

Thoughts on 2008 additions/subtractions: It would have been a shame to lose either of the Massachusetts teams, especially given how Newton South stepped up at the national meet, but the prospect of adding a fifth New York team that was actually better at the regional meet is interesting (and an idea that New York faithful can certainly appreciate). Most if not all of the other teams being added to the field would be similarly competitive, though. The boys changes wouldn’t be too significant – the Southwest teams probably in the middle or maybe bottom third (Alta UT didn’t have a good day with their #20 finish), and Daviess County could have been competitive with the last few teams and at the cost of no other team.

2009 teams added: Don Bosco NJ (NE#3), Mountain View UT (SW#3), and Cibola AZ (SW#6) on the boys side; Green Hope NC (SE#5), Shadle Park WA (NW#3), either Mountain View ID or Mountain View UT (NW#5 or SW#3), and TC Roberson NC (SE#6) on the girls side.

2009 teams subtracted: NXN#21 La Salle Academy RI.

Thoughts on 2009 teams added/subtracted: For the boys, Cibola might not have been all too competitive, but on the bright side there wouldn’t be any drop-off from the Eastern regions as Don Bosco would be the only addition and the only one team would have even needed an at-large invite. On the girls side, Green Hope and Shadle Park were both better than LaSalle to start with, so that’s a net gain.

2010 teams added: Montgomery Bell Academy TN (SE#4) and Albuquerque Academy NM (SW#4) plus an at-large spot for the boys; Baylor TN (SE#5), Glacier Peak WA (NW#3), and Ogden UT (SW#4) for the girls. SE#3 Hidden Valley VA also probably would have qualified out of the Mid-Atlantic region.

2010 teams subtracted: Only NXN#20 Voorhees NJ if Hidden Valley did indeed beat them.

Thoughts on 2010 teams added/subtracted: The two new AQ teams on the boys side wouldn’t add much to the field, but no team would be lost (unless Pembroke wasn’t invited as an at-large) and you gain an at-large invite which is always a bonus since you didn’t lose a team in the process. On the girls side, that’s all good news as ALL three teams (plus a fourth in Hidden Valley) would have been competitive with the field.

2011 teams added: Fort Collins CO (SW#3), Mountain Vista CO (SW#4), and an at-large for the boys teams;  Green Hope NC (SE#4), Ogden UT (SW#5), and either Bozeman MT (NW#3) or Davis UT (SW#6). Plus, probably either two more at-large invites or two more New York teams (or some combination thereof) on the girls side.

2011 teams subtracted: None, though NXN#21 Champlain Valley VT and NXN#22 Hamilton-Wenham MA probably wouldn’t have made it out of the Northeast.

Thoughts on 2011 teams added/subtracted: Just like 2010, I think all those changes would be positive: all the teams being added would have been competitive, and you’d even have the opportunity to change out the last two finishers on the girls side for two possibly better teams as at-large invites as well.

2012 teams added: Brentwood TN (SE#4), Los Alamos NM (SW#3), and Cleveland NM (SW#5) for the boys; Green Hope NC (SE#6), Glacier Peak WA (NW#3) and either one or two at-large bid for the girls (NXN#22 Voorhees NJ would not have been an AQ team).

2012 teams subtracted: Possibly Voorhees NJ, but no others.

Thoughts on 2012 teams added/subtracted: All the teams would have been competitive, and with 1-2 extra at-large spots in place of the last girls team, the meet would only have been even stronger. That would have been good news for Xavier Prep AZ and Hidden Valley VA girls.

Travel distance to NXN Regionals - a reason for rearranging the regional borders (Part II)

(this post is part of a series of 3, see the first post here and the last one here)

Would it be so bad if Nike re-arranged the regions on the East coast and added an additional region out West? You would drastically decrease average distance to regional meets, which should increase participation numbers. Plus, if you add a fifth at-large and allow a maximum of 5 teams per region (rather than the current 4 at-large and 4 per region), you wouldn’t lose hardly any competitiveness at the national meets, PLUS you get to a more ‘round’ number of 25 teams rather than 22 as well as a more ‘round’ number of 225 athletes instead of 199. The only downside, in my opinion, is that Nike would be paying for another 6 teams and 10 individuals. That is a significant factor, obviously, since Nike is the one paying these bills, though I don't know how much the additional participation at the regional meets would help offset the costs.

Here’s what the changes could be:

-Combine New York with the New England states, the meet can stay at Bowdoin Park. Alternatively, it could be in the Albany or Hartford areas, but Bowdoin Park would still be a great location for it.

-Combine New Jersey and Pennsylvania with Virginia, West Virginia, Maryland, Delaware and Washington DC. Hold the meet in the Wilmington DE/Philadelphia PA area. You won’t lose any kids to FLNE, and few if any kids to FLS (Southwest Virginia would be closer to FLS, the rest would be closer to NXN unlike the current set-up for the Southeast).

-Move Mississippi from the South to the Southeast, and move the meet to the Atlanta area. That should increase participation in the western half of the Southeast, though it would be further for North Carolina and eastern South Carolina athletes to travel to, but closer for everyone else. Again, that would only help the numbers compared to the draw of FLS.

-Move Utah to the Northwest while splitting off Washington, Oregon, Alaska and Hawaii into a “Pacific Northwest” region. Northwest meet could be held in Boise (it wouldn’t be any change for the current Northwest states, and Boise is closer than Mesa AZ for Utah anyways), or you could move it to Salt Lake City (closer for Utah and Wyoming, but further for Idaho and western Montana with no change for central/eastern Montana). Pacific Northwest region could be held in either Seattle, Tacoma or Portland – all which would have more (and thus probably better) airfare options for Alaska and Hawaii athletes, and the change in location should draw significantly more teams and athletes from western Washington and western Oregon (the vast majority of the population in the current Northwest).

At first glance, people might assume a few things:

1. Combining New York with another region is ridiculous, because New York girls are so good!

2. Washington and Oregon haven’t produced enough quality girls teams since the regionals started for them to have their own region

3. The NEW Northwest/Mountain West, Pacific Northwest and Southwest regions would be tiny! They’d never have enough quality teams on either side to be competitive every year.

4. The Southeast isn’t strong enough as it is to be split up, why would you want to water down the competition in that area even further?

But all four of those points are either wrong or exaggerated (in my opinion), and let me explain why:

1. Combining New York with another region would NOT mean that New York teams wouldn’t get into NXN if they were good enough to finish in the top 10. In fact, it’s MORE likely because not only are the very good New York teams (if they’re really that good) beating up on teams from what used to be other regions, they’ll look better doing it – only adding teams to the “New York” field would only make the region more competitive, which would more clearly sort out the “great” from the “good but not great”. In addition, by raising the regional limit and adding an additional wildcard, strong New York teams would have a BETTER chance of making it to nationals because there is potentially one extra spot available to them.

2. Washington and Oregon have had at least two teams in the top 3 in the Northwest every single year, and have earned nine of the 12 spots as it is (Bishop Kelly ID 2009, Bozeman MT 2010 and Coeur d’Alene ID 2012 are the only teams from outside Washington/Oregon to qualify during the regional era). In those three years, the second best Washington/Oregon teams were better than multiple teams that qualified out of weaker regions.

3. Yes, all three regions would have few states and small populations compared to the other regions in the nation. But they are also the largest states geographically, and nearly all are among the strongest states per-capita. At worst, they would still be “average” regions. At best, the National meet would be stronger because the depth of the Southwest and Northwest would be split up (on the boys side, that is certainly the case – just take a quick look at how strong the Southwest has been, and realize that Utah is about half of that resurgence – by essentially splitting the Southwest in two, and combining one of those halves with states that struggle to get in the top 10 in the current Northwest, you’re only helping Utah and the other current Southwest states get more opportunities).

4. True, losing those states (particularly Virginia, and Tatnall DE) to the Mid-Atlantic would be a big blow to the Southeast, and adding in Mississippi to the mix wouldn’t nearly make up for the loss. On the other hand, you’d be helping the rest of the region by making the meet much more accessible, and making the team competition a much more viable post-season option, and in the process make one of the weakest regions (Northeast girls) over the last few years become two of the strongest (I'm guessing the Mid-Atlantic wouldn't be quite as deep as the Midwest if you include Michigan and maybe not the remaining Southwest, but it wouldn't be far off, though it wouldn't touch California and the Northeast... but with Virginia, Pennsylvania, New Jersey and Tatnall DE it would certainly not be a weak region by any stretch of the imagination). The Southeast would be a little further down the totem pole, but the girls would be perfectly fine – it’s already a deep region, and the remaining Southeast states would still be competitive at the national level. The boys haven’t been as competitive in the past, but with more participation from Georgia, Tennessee and Kentucky, and more exposure for all the states in the area, the caliber of boys programs could see a more significant rise than they would in the current situation.

Travel distance to NXN Regionals - a reason for rearranging the regional borders (Part I)

NOTE: I am making this post not to single out anyone’s viewpoint, but as a reason to bring up a topic I’ve mentioned several times in the past. This is a long post, so I’ll break it down into two or three entries.

So, I was reading the Track Talk message boards today, and noticed a thread on the Pennsylvania forum talking about why Pennsylvania teams don’t usually attend the NXN-NE meet. The two reasons brought up: 1. The state meet is 4 weeks before the NXN Regional meet; 2. It’s far too to travel if you live in Western PA.

Reason #1 is fairly understandable – you would have to train for almost another month for the post-season race. I don’t know if coaches are allowed contact with their athletes after the state meet in Pennsylvania, but if not, then this can be an issue (much like it is for teams in Washington or Illinois after the NXN Regional meets, waiting almost a month until NXN – though the vast majority of those teams tend to do fine…). However, if you’re one of the top teams in the state, and you want to see if you’re good enough to challenge for a spot to nationals (or get experience if you’re going to be in the same position again next year), I don’t see why this would be an issue – especially if the coaches can continue to coach their kids after the state meet (again, I don’t know the PIAA rules, so I’m not sure if that’s the case or not). If you’re one of the regionally elite teams (e.g., finishing near the top of your state, or beating/finishing close to teams that finish near the top of their state during the invitational season - you don't need some ranking's opinion to figure that out), this reason doesn’t make sense to me, but if you’re talking about “filler” teams (teams that wouldn’t be competitive, but might want to attend the meet just to say they were there), that’s completely reasonable.

Reason #2 is ridiculous in a national context, and goes to show one of two things: One, people in the Northeast might be out of touch with what a “long trip” actually is; or Two, that people in the Northeast don’t realize just how far teams out west (or in the Southeast) have to travel to get to the regional meets.

A comparison of the Northwest and Southeast population centers (CSA 600k+) and their distance to the NXN Regional meet, compared to Pennsylvania’s:
Spokane WA -> Boise ID = 426 miles, a trip that takes 6:37 according to Google
Portland OR -> Boise ID = 429 miles, a trip that takes 6:52 according to Google
Eugene OR -> Boise ID = 444 miles, a trip that takes 7:51 according to Google
Seattle WA -> Boise ID = 504 miles, a trip that takes 7:49 according to Google

… so Boise ID, the site of NXN-Northwest, is the only CSA with 600k+ in the Northwest within 360 miles, or less than 6:30 travel, of the regional meet. The average distance (including Boise) is 360 miles and a 5:50 drive.

Southeast population centers and their distance to NXN-SE (Cary NC)
Greensboro NC -> Cary NC = 71 miles, a trip that takes about 1:14 according to Google
Charlotte NC -> Cary NC = 160 miles, a trip that takes 2:31 according to Google
Virginia Beach VA -> Cary NC = 211 miles, a trip that takes 3:24 according to Google
Columbia SC -> Cary NC = 234 miles, a trip that takes 3:35 according to Google
Greenville SC -> Cary NC = 257 miles, a trip that takes 3:57 according to Google
Washington DC* -> Cary NC = 274 miles, a trip that takes 4:25 according to Google
Charleston WV -> Cary NC = 313 miles, a trip that takes 5:02 according to Google
Knoxville TN -> Cary NC = 354 miles, a trip that takes 5:34 according to Google
Atlanta GA -> Cary NC = 399 miles, a trip that takes 6:02 according to Google
Jacksonville FL -> Cary NC = 462 miles, a trip that takes 6:41 according to Google
Chattanooga TN -> Cary NC = 464 miles, a trip that takes 7:13 according to Google
Lexington KY -> Cary NC = 488 miles, a trip that takes 7:42 according to Google
Nashville TN -> Cary NC = 532 miles, a trip that takes 7:58 according to Google
Birmingham AL -> Cary NC = 546 miles, a trip that takes 8:12 according to Google
Louisville KY -> Cary NC = 559 miles, a trip that takes 8:38 according to Google
Huntsville AL -> Cary NC = 564 miles, a trip that takes 8:43 according to Google
Orlando FL -> Cary NC = 603 miles, a trip that takes 8:39 according to Google
Sarasota FL -> Cary NC = 711 miles, a trip that takes 10:31 according to Google
Mobile AL -> Cary NC = 727 miles, a trip that takes 10:57 according to Google
Memphis TN -> Cary NC = 744 miles, a trip that takes 11:17 according to Google
Cape Coral FL -> Cary NC = 783 miles, a trip that takes 11:40 according to Google
Miami FL -> Cary NC = 807 miles, a trip that takes 11:37 according to Google

Average distance including the hosting CSA of Raleigh NC is 446 miles, taking an average of 6 hours and 46 minutes.
*Baltimore is included in this CSA, and is about as far away from Cary as is Charleston WV.

Pennsylvania population centers and their distance to NXN-Northeast:
Philadelphia PA -> Wappingers Falls NY = 162 miles, a trip that takes 2:46 according to Google
Harrisburg PA -> Wappingers Falls NY = 221 miles, a trip that takes 3:29 according to Google
Pittsburgh PA -> Wappingers Falls NY = 386 miles, a trip that takes 6:22 according to Google

That’s an average trip of 256 miles, taking an average of about 4 hours and 12 minutes.
Only four states in the above regions are situated closer to the regional sites than is Pennsylvania: Idaho (host of the Northwest Regional), North Carolina (host of the Southeast Regional), Virginia, and South Carolina. 60% of the Southeast, and 80% of the Northwest, have a longer trip to their regional than the furthest CSA in Pennsylvania.

I would have brought up the Southwest as well (which also has significantly further travel distances on average than Pennsylvania), but I’m guessing those teams are almost strictly flying in due to the geography of the states (re: the Rocky Mountains).

New National Team Rankings posted

Posted this morning on DyeStat.com: New National Team Rankings for Boys and Girls!

I'm sure there are plenty of surprises in there - it is early in the season, and teams haven't exactly sorted themselves out all that well yet. But it looks like it'll be a competitive year for the national titles on both sides. Join the discussion on the message boards if you have any questions, I will try to answer them.

Also, three things you can expect in the next update:

I have a feeling the South will rise again. The South (mostly Texas) isn't really represented that well this time around, but this weekend is the big weekend in Texas with the Nike South invitational and McNeil's state preview. Expect some teams to make a bigger push after those results are in.

The South will rise again (Part II) - The Great American Festival is this weekend. It's the NXN-Southeast Preview meet, and includes teams from the Northeast like Saratoga Springs NY, Bishop Hendricken RI and Cardinal O'Hara PA. If the Southeast teams run well there (and plenty of good Southeast teams are entered), they could move up a notch or two in the rankings. Good competition leads to good times, which leads to better rankings!

Utah is good (again), and their girls rankings will get even stronger. One of the best teams in the state, Park City, is ranked with a caveat: one of their frontrunners, McKenzie Bothner, hasn't run since the Murray Invitational on September 6. Once she runs again, expect Park City to move significantly up the rankings (though they are already sitting at US#22!)

Links to some ratings

For those looking for ratings of recent races...

Bill Meylan, as always, has posted several of his own on Tullyrunners.

As for my ratings, here are a few links to my posts on the Dyestat forum:

Mountain West MT - Bozeman girls and Makenna Morley broke course records

Bellevue WA - Nothing nation-worthy, but good Washington/Northwest races with teams like Eisenhower, Tahoma, Nathan Hale. Plus I believe the first posted ratings for frosh standout Sophie Cantine.

Nebo UT - Fast/flat 3 mile at altitude featuring American Fork, Bingham, Lone Peak, Orem, Riverton, etc. (lots of the best in Utah, and therefore among the best in the Southwest)

Colorado Results including Cerake Geberkidane and the Monarch girls at Pat Patten, as well as Mountain Vista at Dave Sanders. I'll try to add in some more, at least the TCA Titan Thunder meet, at some point this week.

Nike Pre-Nationals OR Danner Boys and Danner Girls - races have to be done separately, because it was as wet as is typical at NXN (rain storm came through here a couple months early), and windy to boot.

Stanford CA - great individual showdown with Joe Hardy (Seattle Prep WA) travelling down to square off against Blake Haney and Estevan DeLaRosa (among others). Oh, and don't forget Arcadia boys and Anna Maxwell in the girls race!

McQuaid NY - Unionville rises to the occasion in their match-up against Pre-Season US#1 and 7-time defending NXN champions Fayetteville-Manlius. Some very good individuals on both side as well, and a solid boys matchup including three of the best teams in New York.

Palatine IL - York boys win again (St. Xavier KY also at the meet), while Palatine girls take out Assumption KY.

Culver IN - Lots of Indiana's best, as well as Mason from OH. As usual, Carmel held out some of their girls, but they still dominated with 23 points!

I'll be posting the Griak results, once they are up on Raceberryjam (to do the ratings the quickest and easiest way, it helps A LOT if the results are in the same format as others I am comparing them to... and for the Heartland, that's Raceberryjam's format since that is what is by far the most prevalent in both Minnesota and Iowa). Wayzata girls looked EXTREMELY good in that meet, if you haven't checked the results yet, running an 18:47.92 average on a tough 5k course and utterly smashing (58-162-182) a pair of teams that will be nationally ranked (probably in the top 30 if not top 20) on Thursday.

Update on the blog

Folks,

Since the question has been asked, I haven't been posting many updates to the blog because of three reasons.

First, since I'm working for DyeStat/RunnerSpace again, most of my work will be posted there. I'll still try to post some stuff on here from time to time, but the bulk of my content will be found over there.

Secondly, I haven't been posting many ratings over the past couple of weeks because I am pretty bogged down trying to stay on top of everything, getting ready for the first rankings update (set for this Thursday).

Thirdly, it's early enough in the season that the ratings would be very questionable. Some courses I know well enough (have had big enough meets, and been consistent enough in conditions, and preferably though not always having a later season meet at the course) to have a good estimate, but some courses I simply don't and if I rated races there, the ratings would be questionable estimates.

So, I am sorry for the lack of posting on the blog. I'll try to post something again in the next week or so.

In the meantime... if there are any requests that you guys have for what content you'd like to see here, rather than on the DyeStat forums, let me know and I'll see if I can comply.

Marcus I Results (TX)

First big meet out of Texas is the Marcus I Invitational, which features programs like Southlake Carroll, the Lewisville district schools (Hebron and Flower Mound), the Keller schools, and a few others. Even Rogers AR traveled down for the meet this year. Note that, as is often the case for early season meets in particular, not every team had all of their expected varsity in the race. The most glaring omissions I noticed was the Hendrix twins for the Marcus boys, and the Steet sisters for the Timber Creek girls (though there were plenty of other expected scorers missing from other programs as well). The key when looking at these early meets isn't to take the team finish order into strict account, but to notice the unexpected improvement by some of the athletes - such as Amarillo Tascosa's Anthony Navarette, who ran much better here than he did at the end of last fall or during track this spring, making his team all the more impressive for it.

relevant Estimated ratings (200.0 ~ 14:47)

Boys -

1 - Austen Dalquist  - 15:26 - Keller High School  - 186.8
2 - Zachariah Hamstra  - 15:30 - Flower Mound  - 185.5
3 - Jacob Pickle  - 15:31 - Southlake Carroll  - 185.1
4 - Caleb Hollifield  - 15:35 - Round Rock High School  - 183.8
5 - Blake Contreras  - 15:36 - Timber Creek  - 183.4
6 - Carter Blunt  - 15:38 - Frisco Heritage  - 182.8
7 - Wesley Ward  - 15:38 - Flower Mound  - 182.8
8 - Elijah Canal  - 15:41 - Southlake Carroll  - 181.7
9 - Jacob Perry  - 15:43 - Sanger  - 181.1
10 - Chase Van Voorhis  - 15:45 - Hebron  - 180.4
11 - Jacob Babbidge  - 15:48 - Marcus HS  - 179.4
12 - Erik Wingfield  - 16:00 - Timber Creek  - 175.3
13 - Taylor Clayton  - 16:01 - Decatur High School  - 175.0
15 - Alonzo Pollum  - 16:05 - Timber Creek  - 173.6
18 - Alex Cleveland  - 16:09 - Grapevine  - 172.3
19 - Reid Splawn  - 16:09 - Tascosa High School  - 172.3
21 - Lawson Belcher  - 16:12 - Keller High School  - 171.3
22 - Johnny Kemps  - 16:13 - Southlake Carroll  - 170.9
24 - Briggs Wittlake  - 16:16 - Tascosa High School  - 169.9
25 - Rico Lara  - 16:16 - Highland Park  - 169.9
26 - Brad White  - 16:18 - Hebron  - 169.2
28 - Ethan Davis  - 16:20 - Hebron  - 168.5
29 - Kirby Simon  - 16:22 - Grapevine  - 167.9
30 - Taylor Bryant  - 16:23 - Rogers High School  - 167.5
31 - Jack Beitter  - 16:24 - Highland Park  - 167.2
32 - Luke Lanham  - 16:26 - Southlake Carroll  - 166.5
34 - Eric Karl  - 16:33 - Southlake Carroll  - 164.1
35 - Ian Smith  - 16:33 - Rogers High School  - 164.1
38 - Michael Summers  - 16:35 - Hebron  - 163.5
39 - Luke Page  - 16:36 - Marcus HS  - 163.1
40 - Danny Leland  - 16:38 - Highland Park  - 162.5
43 - Carson Burnside  - 16:42 - Timber Creek  - 161.1
44 - Jake McConnell  - 16:44 - Keller High School  - 160.4
45 - Matthew Noriega  - 16:45 - Tascosa High School  - 160.1
46 - Austin Salazar  - 16:46 - Rogers High School  - 159.8
49 - Carter Persyn  - 16:46 - Keller High School  - 159.8
50 - Drew Sanderson  - 16:46 - Flower Mound  - 159.8
51 - Benjamin Reed  - 16:48 - Marcus HS  - 159.1
52 - Jake Mankin  - 16:49 - Rogers High School  - 158.7
53 - Derek Gutierrez  - 16:49 - Keller High School  - 158.7
54 - Griffin Beitter  - 16:50 - Highland Park  - 158.4
55 - Jordan Bertrand  - 16:50 - Hebron  - 158.4
56 - Anthony Navarrete  - 16:52 - Tascosa High School  - 157.7
57 - Brooks Munn  - 16:52 - Highland Park  - 157.7
62 - Riley Gonzales  - 16:54 - Grapevine  - 157.0
64 - Zac Van Voorhis  - 16:56 - Hebron  - 156.4
65 - Jospeh Zapinski  - 16:57 - Southlake Carroll  - 156.0
67 - Kyle Polansky  - 17:01 - Southlake Carroll  - 154.7
69 - Ryan Fritz  - 17:02 - Hebron  - 154.3
71 - Sam Crenshaw  - 17:05 - Grapevine  - 153.3
73 - Adam Steele  - 17:07 - Marcus HS  - 152.6
74 - Brady Steele  - 17:08 - Marcus HS  - 152.3
76 - Austin Roberts  - 17:12 - Highland Park  - 151.0
80 - Raymond Ramirez  - 17:16 - Rogers High School  - 149.6
82 - Matthew Melcher  - 17:17 - Grapevine  - 149.3
83 - Nick Costanza  - 17:17 - Flower Mound  - 149.3
84 - Luke Maddox  - 17:17 - Flower Mound  - 149.3
JV1 - Andrew Duffy  - 17:25 - Marcus HS  - 146.6
93 - Michael Tagaras  - 17:27 - Marcus HS  - 145.9
95 - Kyle Brozovich  - 17:32 - Grapevine  - 144.2
98 - Manuel Torres  - 17:33 - Timber Creek  - 143.9
JV5 - Nicolas Ehringer  - 17:33 - Grapevine  - 143.9
101 - George Petagrew  - 17:36 - Flower Mound  - 142.8
102 - Tony Martinez  - 17:37 - Tascosa High School  - 142.5
104 - Connor Hughes  - 17:37 - Keller High School  - 142.5
105 - Josh Neago  - 17:38 - Rogers High School  - 142.2
112 - Luke Jennings  - 17:42 - Keller High School  - 140.8
113 - Andrew Kliewer  - 17:42 - Highland Park  - 140.8
114 - Nick D'Ambrosio  - 17:42 - Flower Mound  - 140.8
JV7 - Gabriel Monticure  - 17:42 - Timber Creek  - 140.8
118 - Erick Perea  - 17:44 - Rogers High School  - 140.1
128 - James Arnold  - 17:49 - Timber Creek  - 138.4
142 - Will Manning  - 18:07 - Tascosa High School  - 132.4


Girls -

1 - Natalie Rathjen  - 17:38 - Highland Park High School  - 142.2
2 - Alondra Hoyos  - 18:01 - Hebron  - 134.4
3 - Megan Montgomery  - 18:14 - Hebron  - 130.0
4 - Safiya Belbina  - 18:21 - Flower Mound  - 127.6
5 - Abby Halbrook  - 18:26 - Tyler Lee  - 125.9
6 - Antigone Archer  - 18:27 - Southlake Carroll  - 125.6
7 - Samantha Young  - 18:32 - Southlake Carroll  - 123.9
8 - Madeleine Reed  - 18:36 - Marcus HS  - 122.5
9 - Skyler Simon  - 18:36 - Grapevine  - 122.5
10 - Katie Burnham  - 18:37 - Southlake Carroll  - 122.2
11 - Devin Norton  - 18:39 - Guyer  - 121.5
12 - Alyssa Moody  - 19:04 - Round Rock High School  - 113.1
13 - Cassidy Allen  - 19:11 - Flower Mound  - 110.7
15 - Kim Endo  - 19:15 - Frisco Liberty High School  - 109.4
18 - Carissa Sato  - 19:22 - Round Rock High School  - 107.0
19 - Anna Elkin  - 19:24 - Hebron  - 106.3
20 - Devon Cruz  - 19:28 - Marcus HS  - 105.0
21 - Rebecca Jacobson  - 19:30 - Flower Mound  - 104.3
22 - Morgan Bennett  - 19:33 - Frisco Liberty High School  - 103.3
23 - Brittany White  - 19:35 - Flower Mound  - 102.6
24 - Natalie Polei  - 19:37 - Marcus HS  - 101.9
25 - Emily Jeacock  - 19:39 - Marcus HS  - 101.2
28 - Payton Brown  - 19:44 - Marcus HS  - 99.5
29 - Aubree Miller  - 19:47 - Highland Park High School  - 98.5
30 - Brooke Smyth  - 19:50 - Grapevine  - 97.5
31 - Kate Krikorian  - 19:54 - Highland Park High School  - 96.2
33 - Grace Hilscher  - 19:58 - Round Rock High School  - 94.8
JV1 - Arianna Lopez  - 19:59 - Southlake Carroll  - 94.5
35 - Hannah Bradley  - 20:00 - Marcus HS  - 94.1
36 - Moriah Dadson  - 20:03 - Southlake Carroll  - 93.1
37 - Kayli Jones  - 20:08 - Southlake Carroll  - 91.4
38 - Becky Ketch  - 20:12 - Highland Park High School  - 90.1
40 - Kendall Duke  - 20:16 - Hebron  - 88.7
46 - Shelmith Matongo  - 20:21 - Grapevine  - 87.0
48 - Hope McLaughlin  - 20:26 - Highland Park High School  - 85.3
49 - Laura Rathjen  - 20:27 - Highland Park High School  - 85.0
52 - Rithika Proddutoor  - 20:32 - Frisco Liberty High School  - 83.3
58 - Annie Northcutt  - 20:37 - Round Rock High School  - 81.6
60 - Rianna Randolph  - 20:38 - Southlake Carroll  - 81.3
63 - Allison Esposito  - 20:41 - Flower Mound  - 80.3
66 - Sophia Nottoli  - 20:43 - Hebron  - 79.6
JV3 - Amanda Case  - 20:50 - Hebron  - 77.2
74 - Sarah Miller  - 20:53 - Grapevine  - 76.2
80 - Erica Pagan  - 20:59 - Hebron  - 74.2
81 - Sophia Rahimen  - 21:01 - Frisco Liberty High School  - 73.5
87 - Yuilana Lorenso  - 21:05 - Frisco Liberty High School  - 72.2
88 - Stephanie Mara  - 21:06 - Highland Park High School  - 71.8
JV6 - Emery Hailey  - 21:07 - Grapevine  - 71.5
JV7 - Ryan Gossett  - 21:09 - Marcus HS  - 70.8
91 - Ashley May  - 21:12 - Grapevine  - 69.8
93 - Martha Adams  - 21:13 - Flower Mound  - 69.4
99 - Alaina Vierra  - 21:17 - Round Rock High School  - 68.1
109 - Caitlin Thoene  - 21:28 - Round Rock High School  - 64.4
JV17 - Jessica Marosy  - 21:49 - Flower Mound  - 57.3
128 - Catherine Lu  - 21:49 - Grapevine  - 57.3
141 - Sara Wendt  - 22:09 - Round Rock High School  - 50.5
JV74 - Bailey Blalock  - 23:23 - Frisco Liberty High School  - 25.5
130 - Jocelyn Nevarez  - 24:38 - Frisco Liberty High School  - 0.1

First look at Oregon's season openers

Thursday was the first day of meets in Oregon this year. The best meet on opening day?

Portland Catholic Preview

Estimated ratings (200.0 ~ 11:44)

Girls 4k Results

1 - 11 - Dylan Hite - 14:47.91 - Jesuit - 121.1
2 - 12 - Paige Rice - 14:59.06 - St Mary's Academy - 116.3
3 - 10 - Lacey Conner - 15:13.40 - St Mary's Academy - 110.2
4 - 11 - Sophia Schnitzer - 15:25.34 - Jesuit - 105.1
5 - 10 - Nicole McCullough - 15:32.50 - Jesuit - 102.1
6 - 12 - Taylor Moscoe - 15:37.12 - Jesuit - 100.1
7 - 11 - Molly McCullough - 15:37.59 - St Mary's Academy - 99.9
8 - 12 - Colleen Sullivan - 15:38.87 - Jesuit - 99.3
9 - 11 - Zani Moore - 15:40.75 - Jesuit - 98.5
10 - 10 - Katie Leavy - 15:43.18 - Jesuit - 97.5
11 - 11 - Lucy O'Sullivan - 15:43.78 - St Mary's Academy - 97.2
12 - 9 - Kim Sanders - 15:45.15 - Jesuit - 96.7
13 - 12 - Chiara Chandlee - 15:57.15 - St Mary's Academy - 91.5
14 - 10 - Kate Patterson - 16:00.28 - St Mary's Academy - 90.2
15 - 11 - Kelley Qu - 16:04.56 - Jesuit - 88.4




Boys 4k Results

1 - 12 - Cooper Roach - 12:28.22 - Valley Catholic - 180.7
2 - 11 - Jean Baptiste Tooley - 12:37.44 - Central Catholic - 176.8
3 - 11 - Sam Lomax - 12:39.12 - Central Catholic - 176.1
4 - 12 - Dante Dalla Gasperina - 12:40.09 - Central Catholic - 175.6
5 - 12 - Sam Remington - 12:41.81 - Jesuit - 174.9
6 - 12 - Sahil Doshi - 12:45.22 - Jesuit - 173.4
7 - 11 - Wilder Boyden - 12:47.69 - Valley Catholic - 172.4
8 - 9 - Logan Phillips - 12:48.00 - Jesuit - 172.3
9 - 12 - Will Thompson - 12:54.78 - La Salle - 169.4
10 - 10 - Daniel Thompson - 12:55.31 - Central Catholic - 169.1
11 - 11 - Spencer Grant - 12:56.59 - Jesuit - 168.6
12 - 10 - Zack Lavier - 12:59.31 - Central Catholic - 167.4
13 - 10 - Jackson Frank - 13:12.56 - Central Catholic - 161.8
14 - 11 - Jason Rae - 13:13.28 - La Salle - 161.5
15 - 12 - Logan Veasy - 13:14.65 - La Salle - 160.9
16 - 10 - Max Hite - 13:19.31 - Jesuit - 158.9




Also of note was the Wilsonville Night Meet, though they had some issues with uploading results but hopefully this doesn't include any incorrect results...

 Estimated ratings (200.0 ~ 8:28.5)

Boys 3k Results

1 - 12 - Geremia Lizier-Zmudzinski - 8:58 - Forest Grove - 182.6
2 - 12 - Nic McDaniel - 9:04 - McMinnville - 179.1
3 - 12 - Devin Sellers - 9:09 - Aloha - 176.1
4 - 12 - Glapougbae Garmondeh - 9:13 - Aloha - 173.7
5 - 12 - Isaac Mitchell - 9:15 - Sandy - 172.6
6 - 12 - Liam Burke - 9:16 - Lincoln - 172.0
1 - 10 - Roman Ollar - 9:16 - West Linn - 172.0
7 - 12 - Mason Rouches - 9:18 - Glencoe - 170.8
8 - 12 - JP Kiefer - 9:21 - Marist - 169.0
9 - 12 - Jackson Cole - 9:23 - Grant - 167.8

3 - 11 - Nabi Amin - 9:30 - Cleveland (OR) - 163.7
20 - 12 - Alex Nova - 9:34 - Cleveland (OR) - 161.4
11 - 10 - Jalato Sultessa - 9:41 - Cleveland (OR) - 157.2
29 - 12 - Nick Scrivens - 9:43 - Cleveland (OR) - 156.0
22 - 11 - Peter Kurtz - 10:05 - Cleveland (OR) - 143.1


Girls 3k Results

1 - 10 - Ella Donaghu - 9:57 - Grant - 147.8
1 - 12 - Piper Donaghu - 10:13 - Grant - 138.3
2 - 12 - Charlotte Corless - 10:19 - Sunset - 134.8
3 - 12 - Taryn Rawlings - 10:27 - Wilsonville - 130.1
4 - 12 - Charlie Davidson - 10:37 - Scappoose - 124.2
5 - 12 - Allison Martinez - 10:40 - Aloha - 122.4
2 - 10 - Nicole Griffiths - 10:46 - Sunset - 118.9
6 - 12 - Emily Bever - 10:48 - Molalla - 117.7
7 - 12 - Margarita Lauer - 10:57 - Franklin - 112.4
3 - 10 - Maddie Fuhrman - 10:57 - Silverton - 112.4


2 - 12 - Charlotte Corless - 10:19 - Sunset - 134.8
2 - 10 - Nicole Griffiths - 10:46 - Sunset - 118.9
7 - 10 - Audrey Huelskamp - 11:22 - Sunset - 97.6
8 - 10 - Isabel Huelskamp - 11:28 - Sunset - 94.1
7 - 11 - Kendall Butz - 11:36 - Sunset - 89.4


1 - 10 - Ella Donaghu - 9:57 - Grant - 147.8
1 - 12 - Piper Donaghu - 10:13 - Grant - 138.3
13 - 10 - Thea Foulk - 11:47 - Grant - 82.9
17 - 10 - Jean Elliott - 12:00 - Grant - 75.2
35 - 10 - Kamryn Hogan - 12:42 - Grant - 50.4

... nice 1-2 punch for Grant, but definitely needs to find some way to close that massive gap. Their projected #3-5 were all missing from the results, though, and this is only the first meet of the season, so there will be plenty of time to rectify that.

Pentultimate Regional #6-15 rankings posted

Only one region (Northwest) left to post the #6-15 teams for, that'll be published tomorrow. And the Regional Top-5's and National Top-40 the day after!

Check out the full rankings posted so far at DyeStat/RunnerSpace. And if you see (or don't see) anything you want to ask or comment about, feel free to respond on the message board.

Highland Invitational (UT) Ratings estimate

First good sized and competitive meet of the season that I've looked at:

Highland Invitational @ Sugarhouse Park (short layout) - Salt Lake City, Utah (2.9 miles)

These are ROUGH estimates... but 200.0 ~ 14:15

A pair of nationally elite athletes in each race, and multiple US Top-120 or SW Top-15 teams as well. For most athletes and schools, this was the first meet of the year, though some did race last week. Team score notes (not that I take team standings in meets this early to mean anything at all...) -

Boys = 1. Bingham 74; 2. Davis 80; 3. Timpanogos 144; 4. Ogden 158; 5. Riverton 179; 6. Westlake 189

Girls = 1. Davis 62; 2. Bingham 116; 3. Timpanogos 144; 4. Park City 171; 5. Ogden 196; 6. Jordan 201; 7. Mountain Crest 208; 8. Skyline 209; 9. Lehi 213

(note that last year, the boys race was won by Ben Saarel in 14:49.1 and the girls by Sarah Feeney in 17:36.7)


Boys Individuals and notable team runners =

1 - Kramer Morton, Sr - 14:48.5 - Alta - 188.2
2 - Conner Mantz, Jr - 14:49.0 - Sky View - 188.1
3 - Brady Earley, Sr - 14:59.4 - Riverton - 184.4
4 - Andrew Brewer, Sr - 15:04.3 - Bingham - 182.7
5 - Rory Linkletter, Sr - 15:04.7 - Herriman - 182.6
6 - Mike Buckley, Sr - 15:15.1 - Ogden - 178.9
7 - Skylar Williams, Sr - 15:17.4 - Davis - 178.1
8 - Caleb Walker, Sr - 15:30.0 - Bingham - 173.7
9 - Bryson Walker, Sr - 15:33.4 - Bingham - 172.5
10 - Adam Haynes, So - 15:34.1 - Bingham - 172.2
11 - Stokton Smith, Jr - 15:34.9 - Davis - 172.0
12 - Mckay Mace, Sr - 15:37.0 - Timpanogos - 171.2
13 - Koy Moore, Jr - 15:40.1 - Timpanogos - 170.1
14 - Clay Lambourne, Sr - 15:43.1 - Riverton - 169.1
16 - Josh Ward, Jr - 15:46.7 - Davis - 167.8
17 - Justin Sheets, Sr - 15:47.3 - Ogden - 167.6
21 - Colton Rimann, So - 15:49.6 - Davis - 166.8
22 - Ammon Nimmer, Sr - 15:53.1 - Timpanogos - 165.6
25 - Kimball Potter, Sr - 15:56.3 - Davis - 164.5
26 - Michael Bluth, Sr - 15:58.0 - Riverton - 163.9
27 - Austin Brower, Sr - 15:58.5 - Westlake - 163.7
31 - Alek Parsons, So - 16:05.7 - Ogden - 161.2
33 - Stephen Robbins, Jr - 16:06.2 - Westlake - 161.0
34 - Brayden Wakley, Sr - 16:06.9 - Westlake - 160.7
35 - Trevor Gibby, Sr - 16:07.7 - Westlake - 160.5
37 - Dylan Anderson, Jr - 16:10.3 - Ogden - 159.5
43 - Zach Child, Jr - 16:15.1 - Bingham - 157.9
45 - Ian Berlin, Sr - 16:16.4 - Timpanogos - 157.4
52 - Cameron Benson, So - 16:19.5 - Timpanogos - 156.3
60 - Corey Mines, Jr - 16:25.4 - Westlake - 154.2
62 - Ethan Stuart, Sr - 16:25.9 - Davis - 154.1
63 - Tyson Davis, Jr - 16:26.3 - Riverton - 153.9
67 - Harrison Godfrey, Jr - 16:30.1 - Ogden - 152.6
70 - Taylor Benson, Sr - 16:31.2 - Timpanogos - 152.2
73 - Landon Andrews, Sr - 16:32.2 - Riverton - 151.9
JV 1 - Bo Farrer, Jr - 16:38.8 - Timpanogos - 149.5
JV 2 - Daniel Tumblin, So - 16:40.0 - Davis - 149.1
JV 3 - Trey Trusty, Jr - 16:41.2 - Westlake - 148.7
86 - Tyler Mortensen, So - 16:45.3 - Westlake - 147.3
87 - Austin Andersen, Sr - 16:46.2 - Bingham - 146.9
89 - Pedro DeLeon, Sr - 16:47.2 - Ogden - 146.6
JV 7 - Garrett Barton, Fr - 16:50.6 - Ogden - 145.4
95 - Cameron Smith, Jr - 16:50.9 - Bingham - 145.3
100 - Hyrum Portlock, Sr - 16:55.5 - Riverton - 143.7
JV 33 - Brandon Walker, Sr - 17:40.4 - Riverton - 127.9



Girls Individuals and notable team runners =

1 - Sarah Feeny, Sr - 16:53.0 - Ogden - 144.6
2 - Lucy Biles, Jr - 17:33.1 - Herriman - 130.5
3 - Tavia Dutson, Sr - 17:40.7 - Jordan - 127.8
4 - Marlee Mitchell, Jr - 17:41.0 - Bingham - 127.7
5 - Hannah Albrechtsen, Sr - 17:44.5 - Davis - 126.5
6 - Mary Christensen, Jr - 17:49.4 - Timpanogos - 124.8
7 - Alyssa Snyder, Jr - 17:50.0 - Park City - 124.6
8 - Hannah Malone, Sr - 18:00.1 - Box Elder - 121.0
9 - McKayla Morgan, Sr - 18:03.0 - Riverton - 120.0
10 - Whitney Rich, Fr - 18:05.3 - Bingham - 119.2
11 - Ashley Tyndall, Sr - 18:05.7 - Davis - 119.1
12 - Sophie McDonald, Sr - 18:11.5 - Park City - 117.0
13 - Taylor Cox, Sr - 18:13.5 - Davis - 116.3
14 - Rachel Bocanegra, Sr - 18:20.7 - Timpanogos - 113.8
15 - Miah Weaver, Fr - 18:22.2 - Davis - 113.3
16 - Jackie Heaps, Sr - 18:23.2 - Lehi - 112.9
18 - Aimee Vance, Sr - 18:27.2 - Davis - 111.5
19 - Aubrey Monson, So - 18:28.2 - Jordan - 111.2
21 - Cate Carabine, Sr - 18:29.6 - Ogden - 110.7
22 - Maddie Criscione, Sr - 18:34.5 - Park City - 108.9
23 - Sierra Graham, Sr - 18:36.0 - Davis - 108.4
24 - McKenzie Weir, Sr - 18:39.9 - Davis - 107.1
26 - Maddy Kauffman, Jr - 18:47.0 - Lehi - 104.6
27 - Jeni Townsend, Jr - 18:53.3 - Skyline - 102.4
FS 1  - McKenzie Bothner, So - 18:53.6 - Park City - 102.2
28 - Bre Andersen, Sr - 18:55.1 - Timpanogos - 101.7
29 - Kenzie Draper, Sr - 18:56.3 - Lehi - 101.3
30 - Miranda O'Very, Jr - 18:59.9 - Mountain Crest - 100.0
31 - Lauren Monson, Jr - 19:02.2 - Skyline - 99.2
32 - Rachel Young, Jr - 19:06.5 - Bingham - 97.7
34 - Ashlyn Henry, So - 19:12.4 - Bingham - 95.6
35 - Brooke Nelson, Sr - 19:14.7 - Mountain Crest - 94.8
37 - Hannah Dutson, Fr - 19:20.8 - Jordan - 92.7
39 - Katie Jones, Sr - 19:29.1 - Bingham - 89.8
40 - Madison Cook, So - 19:29.5 - Mountain Crest - 89.6
41 - Maranda Garrett, Jr - 19:34.5 - Ogden - 87.9
42 - Maci Jonart, Fr - 19:35.2 - Skyline - 87.6
46 - Julieta Navarrete-Lamas, So - 19:41.2 - Timpanogos - 85.5
47 - Kiana Moon, Sr - 19:43.9 - Mountain Crest - 84.6
48 - Rosemary Winterton, Fr - 19:45.7 - Skyline - 84.0
50 - Tiani Orr, Sr - 19:50.0 - Bingham - 82.5
53 - Erin Anderson, So - 19:53.0 - Timpanogos - 81.4
58 - Katie Struthers, Fr - 20:02.9 - Lehi - 77.9
60 - Ellie Burton, Sr - 20:06.5 - Park City - 76.7
62 - Kacie Labrum, So - 20:08.2 - Mountain Crest - 76.1
65 - Aleisha Keller, Jr - 20:09.7 - Ogden - 75.5
67 - Jessica Anstee, Jr - 20:12.2 - Skyline - 74.7
68 - Morgan Milne, So - 20:13.3 - Jordan - 74.3
73 - April Callister, So - 20:19.5 - Ogden - 72.1
74 - Kaila Balch, Sr - 20:21.1 - Park City - 71.5
75 - Hannah Allred, Jr - 20:22.6 - Ogden - 71.0
79 - Ellie Jensen, Sr - 20:24.5 - Jordan - 70.4
83 - Desie Thorn, Jr - 20:28.4 - Jordan - 69.0
89 - Nicole Scharman, Jr - 20:32.1 - Lehi - 67.7
93 - Ruth Sorensen, So - 20:33.5 - Skyline - 67.2
FS 2  - Leah Lange, So - 20:35.2 - Park City - 66.6
99 - Abbey Spencer, Jr - 20:40.2 - Jordan - 64.8
100 - Allison Oborn, So - 20:42.4 - Mountain Crest - 64.1
109 - Shannon Smith, So - 21:02.1 - Timpanogos - 57.2
FS 4  - Emily Liese, So - 21:04.9 - Mountain Crest - 56.2
113 - Jasmin Ojedia, Sr - 21:14.3 - Ogden - 52.9
122 - Emma Jarman, So - 21:20.2 - Lehi - 50.8
125 - Taegan Evans, Fr - 21:21.6 - Bingham - 50.3
136 - Emily Anderson, Jr - 21:44.9 - Lehi - 42.1
JV 11 - Katie Garff, Jr - 21:50.5 - Skyline - 40.2
157 - Natalie Mace, So - 22:08.1 - Timpanogos - 34.0

It has begun

The countdown has begun, starting with the US#81-120 teams and Southwest #6-15 teams posted today on DyeStat.

A new region #6-15 will get posted every weekday this week and next week, and US#41-80 next Monday (August 26), leading up to the US Top-40 and Regional Top-5 on next Thursday, August 29.

Today's rankings probably have some surprises for some folks... particularly the national rankings, where one of the five best programs in the nation is sitting just outside the top100 this year, and several other nationally recognizable programs are in the 81-120 group as well.

Enjoy!

(by the way, a note for reference on how good these #81-120 programs are... think of them like teams that can compete with the bottom third of NXN qualifiers, and even beat them on occasion. They are still very good teams, and it wouldn't be surprising if some of them end up in the top 30 at some point of the season, particularly if the teams get transfers or impact freshmen that weren't factored into the rankings)

Best Individuals in the Northwest?

Alaska kicked off the Northwest cross country season today. Results are on athletic.net for the Alaska State Preview (no big names, no big surprises). Top teams were the Wasilla girls and looks like it will be close this year (of the schools that attended this meet) between the West Anchorage and South Anchorage boys.

Also, I asked a question on the Dyestat HS Elite message board: Who are the best individuals in the Northwest this year? I posted a quick top-25, though I only spent a little over an hour on it so I'm sure some of you could come up with as good (or better) a list without too much problem. So if you agree/disagree or want to post your own, feel free to speak up! (and I'll admit, last year, I was a little low on Montana mid-season... hopefully I'll avoid such a mistake this time around :) )

Rankings Teaser

Rankings update: As I posted on the Dyestat forums earlier today, the rankings countdown will begin next week. The in-season rankings will be Top 40 for the US and Top 5 for each region (plus bubble teams), but for the pre-season rankings I figured I would do it a little bit differently, to give more teams more specific attention. So for the complete pre-season outlook, I'll be ranking 120 teams nationally and 15 teams per region, broken into segments with the US Top-40 and Regional Top-5 being posted on August 29th.

Also, this might interest some of you... a breakdown of the current US Top-120 rough draft listing the states with the most teams included (and there are 40 states mentioned in the national rankings)

The ten states with the most teams in the rankings (boys + girls combined):

1. California - 48
2. Illinois - 19
3. New York - 17
4. Washington - 14
5. Utah - 13
6. Texas - 11
7. Michigan - 10
8. New Jersey - 9
8. Pennsylvania - 9
10. Colorado - 8

Tully Runners Rankings Posted

Bill Meylan's pre-season national outlook was posted on Tullyrunners today.

Here are the links -

Boys - "CBA New Jersey #1"

Girls - "FM Girls #1 - but it might be close"

Status Update - 7/19

Just a short status update - all of the cross country standards have finally been posted, as always you can find them on the DyeStat HS Elite message board. This means I finally get to start focusing not on what a performance at this meet means, but on researching who all returns what and how these teams all stack up against each other (the part you guys care about)!

Also, in Northwest news, the first two DyeStat polls are up: WA 4A Boys XC and OR 6A Girls XC, so feel free to chime in with your opinions and make your vote!

Sun Willows All-Time lists (Course-Adjusted) Updated

Here is the Course-Adjusted All-Time list for the Sun Willows 5k AND 3 mile courses at the Washington State meet. For those new to my ratings, higher is better, and each point is a difference of roughly 3 seconds. Also included at the end of the post is a scoring of the 25 fastest teams at state during the Sun Willows era. For the total team times included, times are set to the Sun Willows 2008-2011 average (which happens to be very similar to the ‘97, ’98, and ’04 courses… and probably close to a couple other years if it wasn’t for the weather). I tried to include the Head Coaches for the teams as well, though for a couple of the girls teams I wasn’t sure who was the head coach at that time… if anyone knows, feel free to inform me and I’ll update when I can.

 

Boys Top 65 Individual Performances –

1.       201.2 - Matthew Davis, 12 - Mead 1993 - 3A#1 - 1993

2.       197.5 - Andrew Gardner, 12 - Mead 2012 - 4A#1 - 2012

3.       196.3 - Max O'Donoghue-McDonald, 12 - Seattle Prep 2006 - 3A#1 - 2006

4.       196.2 - Anthony Armstrong, 12 - Kamiakin 2011 - 3A#1 - 2011

5.       195.9 - Nathan Weitz, 12 - Shadle Park 2011 - 3A#2 - 2011

6.       195.8 - Greg Kuntz, 12 - Mead 1989 - 3A#1 - 1989

7.       194.8 - Miles Unterreiner, 12 - Gig Harbor 2007 - 4A#1 - 2007

8.       194.7 - Jacob Smith, 12 - Wenatchee 2011 - 4A#1 - 2011

9.       194.5 - Shane Moskowitz, 12 - Central Kitsap 2009 - 4A#1 - 2009

10.   193.7 - Patrick Gibson, 12 - Squalicum 2012 - 2A#1 - 2012

11.   193.7 - Izaic Yorks, 12 - Lakes 2011 - 3A#3 - 2011

12.   193.4 - Matthew Davis, 11 - Mead 1992 - 3A#1 - 1992

13.   193.3 - Andrew Gardner, 11 - Mead 2011 - 4A#2 - 2011

14.   193.3 - Kenji Bierig, 12 - Lewis and Clark 2010 - 4A#1 - 2010

15.   192.8 - Wolfgang Beck, 11 - Gig Harbor 2012 - 4A#2 - 2012

16.   192.7 - Poli Baltazar, 12 - Aberdeen 2012 - 2A#2 - 2012

17.   192.6 - David Gurry, 11 - Blanchet 1989 - 3A#2 - 1989

18.   192.5 - Nathan Weitz, 11 - Shadle Park 2010 - 3A#1 - 2010

19.   192.4 - Cameron Quackenbush, 12 - Joel Ferris 2006 - 4A#1 - 2006

20.   192.2 - Rob Webster, 12 - Puyallup 2007 - 4A#2 - 2007

21.   192.1 - Joe Hardy, 11 - Seattle Prep 2012 - 3A#1 - 2012

22.   192.0 - Adam Tenforde, 12 - Hanford 1998 - 3A#1 - 1998

23.   191.4 - Ben Johnston, 12 - North Central 2009 - 3A#1 - 2009

24.   191.2 - Kevin Rosaaen, 11 - Wilson 2007 - 4A#3 - 2007

25.   191.1 - Santos Vargas, 12 - Eisenhower 2011 - 4A#3 - 2011

26.   191.1 - Joey Bywater, 11 - Lake Stevens 2006 - 4A#2 - 2006

27.   191.0 - Colby Gilbert, 12 - Skyview 2012 - 4A#3 - 2012

28.   191.0 - Isaac Hawkins, 12 - Joel Ferris 1996 - 3A#1 - 1996

29.   191.0 - Evan Garber, 12 - Mead 2003 - 4A#1 - 2003

30.   191.0 - David Kinsella, 12 - Inglemoor 2003 - 4A#2 - 2003

31.   190.9 - Chris Lewis, 12 - Mead 1988 - 3A#1 - 1988

32.   190.8 - Dak Riek, 12 - Mariner 2006 - 4A#3 - 2006

33.   190.6 - Carl Moe, 12 - Auburn Riverside 2002 - 4A#1 - 2002

34.   190.6 - Laef Barnes, 11 - Mead 2003 - 4A#3 - 2003

35.   190.6 - Tyler King, 12 - Coupeville 2010 - 1A#1 - 2010

36.   190.1 - Jake Riley, 12 - Sehome 2006 - 2A#1 - 2006

37.   190.0 - Jeff Helmer, 12 - Henry Jackson 2005 - 4A#1 - 2005

38.   190.0 - Mack Young, 11 - Redmond 2008 - 4A#1 - 2008

39.   190.0 - Michael Miller, 12 - Mt Rainier 2008 - 3A#1 - 2008

40.   189.9 - Sumner Goodwin, 12 - Lewis and Clark 2012 - 4A#4 - 2012

41.   189.9 - Michael Kiter, 11 - Shadle Park 1999 - 4A#1 - 1999

42.   189.7 - Dre O'Donoghue-McDonald, 12 - Seattle Prep 2009 - 3A#2 - 2009

43.   189.5 - David Gurry, 12 - Blanchet 1990 - 3A#1 - 1990

44.   189.4 - Korey Krotzer, 12 - Auburn Riverside 2011 - 4A#4 - 2011

45.   189.4 - Vince Hamilton, 12 - North Central 2010 - 3A#2 - 2010

46.   189.4 - Jesse Fayant, 12 - Mead 2001 - 4A#1 - 2001

47.   189.4 - Jamie Coughlin, 12 - Garfield 2012 - 4A#5 - 2012

48.   189.3 - Rich Nelson, 12 - Shadle Park 2002 - 4A#2 - 2002

49.   189.3 - Kelly Spady, 12 - Kamiak 2004 - 4A#1 - 2004

50.   189.3 - Robbie Barany, 12 - Eisenhower 2004 - 4A#2 - 2004

51.   189.3 - Wolfgang Beck, 10 - Gig Harbor 2011 - 4A#5 - 2011

52.   189.3 - Ian Johnson, 12 - University 1998 - 4A#1 - 1998

53.   189.3 - Sean Knapp, 12 - Gig Harbor 1998 - 4A#2 - 1998

54.   189.1 - Conner Peloquin, 12 - Gig Harbor 2009 - 4A#2 - 2009

55.   189.0 - Isaac Hawkins, 11 - Joel Ferris 1995 - 3A#1 - 1995

56.   189.0 - Charles Cummings, 12 - Eisenhower 2003 - 4A#4 - 2003

57.   188.9 - Shane Moskowitz, 11 - Central Kitsap 2008 - 4A#2 - 2008

58.   188.8 - Michael Kiter, 12 - Shadle Park 2000 - 4A#1 - 2000

59.   188.7 - Chris Lukezic, 12 - Auburn 2001 - 4A#2 - 2001

60.   188.6 - Justin Houck, 12 - Joel Ferris 2003 - 4A#5 - 2003

61.   188.5 - Joe Hardy, 10 - Seattle Prep 2011 - 3A#4 - 2011

62.   188.3 - Curtis King, 12 - Peninsula 2011 - 3A#5 - 2011

63.   188.3 - Jonathan Lafler, 12 - Tahoma 2007 - 4A#4 - 2007

64.   188.3 - Micah Davis, 11 - Mead 1993 - 3A#2 - 1993

65.   188.2 - Keith Williams, 11 - North Central 2011 - 3A#6 - 2011

 

Girls Top 65 Individual Performances –

1.       156.8 - Amy-Eloise Neale, 12 - Glacier Peak 2012 - 3A#1 - 2012

2.       152.1 - Megan O'Reilly, 12 - Mt. Spokane 2005 - 4A#1 - 2005

3.       151.5 - Katie Knight, 11 - North Central 2011 - 3A#1 - 2011

4.       146.8 - Jordan McPhee, 10 - Mt Rainier 2011 - 4A#1 - 2011

5.       146.6 - Alexa Efraimson, 10 - Camas 2012 - 4A#1 - 2012

6.       145.4 - Amy-Eloise Neale, 11 - Glacier Peak 2011 - 3A#2 - 2011

7.       145.1 - Amy Eloise Neale, 10 - Glacier Peak 2010 - 3A#1 - 2010

8.       144.4 - Maddie Meyers, 11 - Northwest 2010 - 1A#1 - 2010

9.       143.8 - Kenna Patrick, 12 - Thomas Jefferson 2006 - 4A#1 - 2006

10.   143.0 - Katie Knight, 12 - North Central 2012 - 3A#2 - 2012

11.   143.0 - Katie Knight, 10 - North Central 2010 - 3A#2 - 2010

12.   142.9 - Andrea Nelson, 9 - Shadle Park 2006 - 4A#2 - 2006

13.   142.9 - Nicole Cochran, 11 - Bellarmine Prep 2006 - 4A#3 - 2006

14.   141.5 - Sarna Renfro, 12 - Bellarmine Prep 1993 - 3A#1 - 1993

15.   140.8 - Tansey Lystad, 12 - Inglemoor 2010 - 4A#1 - 2010

16.   140.6 - Jessica Pixler, 12 - Eastlake 2005 - 4A#2 - 2005

17.   140.5 - Andrea Nelson, 10 - Shadle Park 2007 - 4A#1 - 2007

18.   140.3 - Heidi VanBorkulo, 12 - Blanchet 1991 - 2A#1 - 1991

19.   139.2 - Brie Felnagle, 12 - Bellarmine Prep 2004 - 4A#1 - 2004

20.   138.9 - Stephanie Marcy, 12 - Sequim 2006 - 2A#1 - 2006

21.   138.9 - Anastasia Kosykh, 9 - Eastlake 2010 - 4A#2 - 2010

22.   138.5 - Sarah Schwald, 12 - John Rogers-Spokane 1990 - 3A#1 - 1990

23.   138.5 - Katie Bianchini, 12 - Glacier Peak 2012 - 3A#3 - 2012

24.   137.6 - Kayla Evans, 11 - Bellarmine Prep 2006 - 4A#4 - 2006

25.   136.7 - Maddie Meyers, 12 - Northwest 2011 - 1A#1 - 2011

26.   136.5 - Anna Dailey, 12 - Garfield 2009 - 4A#1 - 2009

27.   136.3 - Jodee Adams Moore, 12 - Newport-Bellevue 2000 - 3A#1 - 2000

28.   136.3 - Ruby Roberts, 10 - Kingston 2007 - 2A#1 - 2007

29.   136.3 - Anna Layman, 12 - Central Valley 2005 - 4A#3 - 2005

30.   136.2 - Alexa Efraimson, 9 - Camas 2011 - 3A#3 - 2011

31.   135.9 - Paige Pattilo, 11 - Bothell 2005 - 4A#4 - 2005

32.   135.6 - Michelle Schubert, 12 - West Valley(Yak) 2005 - 3A#1 - 2005

33.   135.5 - Maddie Meyers, 10 - Northwest 2009 - 1A#1 - 2009

34.   135.3 - Kayla Evans, 12 - Bellarmine Prep 2007 - 4A#2 - 2007

35.   135.3 - Alyssa Andrews, 12 - Gig Harbor 2008 - 4A#1 - 2008

36.   135.2 - Robin Bryson, 10 - Eisenhower 1988 - 3A#1 - 1988

37.   135.0 - Stephanie Marcy, 11 - Sequim 2005 - 3A#2 - 2005

38.   134.9 - Ann Ramsey, 12 - Lakeside 1996 - 2A#1 - 1996

39.   134.6 - Robin Bryson, 12 - Eisenhower 1990 - 3A#2 - 1990

40.   134.6 - Sarah Reiter, 11 - Lindbergh 2010 - 2A#1 - 2010

41.   134.5 - Katie Bianchini, 10 - Glacier Peak 2010 - 3A#3 - 2010

42.   134.5 - Amber Nickelson, 11 - Lake Stevens 2002 - 4A#1 - 2002

43.   134.4 - Jessica Fry, 12 - John Rogers(Spokane) 1993 - 3A#2 - 1993

44.   134.3 - Jordan McPhee, 11 - Mt Rainier 2012 - 4A#2 - 2012

45.   134.1 - Brie Felnagle, 11 - Bellarmine Prep 2003 - 4A#1 - 2003

46.   134.0 - Bronwyn Crossman, 12 - Squalicum 2007 - 3A#1 - 2007

47.   133.8 - Ruby Roberts, 12 - Kingston 2009 - 2A#1 - 2009

48.   133.7 - Bronwyn Crossman, 11 - Squalicum 2006 - 3A#1 - 2006

49.   133.6 - Kelsey Walker, 12 - Bellevue 2005 - 3A#3 - 2005

50.   133.4 - Sandra Martinez, 11 - Davis 2007 - 4A#3 - 2007

51.   133.1 - Amy-Eloise Neale, 9 - Glacier Peak 2009 - 3A#1 - 2009

52.   133.1 - Lisa Olander, 10 - West Valley(Yak) 2006 - 3A#2 - 2006

53.   133.1 - Sarna Renfro, 11 - Bellarmine Prep 1992 - 3A#1 - 1992

54.   132.8 - Katie Knight, 9 - North Central 2009 - 3A#2 - 2009

55.   132.8 - Kesslee Payne, 12 - Gig Harbor 2006 - 4A#5 - 2006

56.   132.7 - Kim Schmolka, 10 - South Kitsap 1991 - 3A#1 - 1991

57.   132.6 - Jessie McLaughlin, 12 - Olympia 2001 - 4A#1 - 2001

58.   132.5 - Suzanna Matsen, 11 - Lakeside 1991 - 2A#2 - 1991

59.   132.5 - Shannon Bell, 12 - Gonzaga Prep 2002 - 4A#2 - 2002

60.   132.4 - Alexis Fuller, 9 - Union 2011 - 4A#2 - 2011

61.   132.3 - Alexis Fuller, 10 - Union 2012 - 4A#3 - 2012

62.   132.0 - Nicole Cochran, 10 - Bellarmine Prep 2005 - 4A#5 - 2005

63.   132.0 - Emily Pittis, 10 - Sehome 2012 - 2A#1 - 2012

64.   131.9 - Chandler Olson, 10 - Woodinville 2010 - 4A#3 - 2010

65.   131.9 - Bobeya Krishnek, 12 - Mount Baker 2001 - 2A#1 - 2001

 

Boys Top 30 Team Times/Average Ratings –

1.       184.8 - Mead (Pat Tyson) - 1993 - 77:44.95

2.       183.8 - North Central (Jon Knight) - 2008 - 77:59.52

3.       183.4 - Joel Ferris (Mike Hadway) - 2006 - 78:05.82

4.       182.5 - North Central (Jon Knight) - 2012 - 78:18.76

5.       182.4 - Mead (Pat Tyson) - 1992 - 78:19.89

6.       181.7 - Mead (Pat Tyson) - 1989 - 78:30.61

7.       181.2 - North Central (Jon Knight) - 2009 - 78:37.55

8.       180.7 - Mead (Pat Tyson) - 1988 - 78:45.75

9.       180.7 - North Central (Jon Knight) - 2010 - 78:45.82

10.   180.3 - Mead (Pat Tyson) - 2006 - 78:52.12

11.   180.0 - Joel Ferris (Mike Hadway) - 2004 - 78:55.50

12.   179.9 - North Central (Jon Knight) - 2007 - 78:57.44

13.   179.5 - North Central (Jon Knight) - 2011 - 79:02.91

14.   179.3 - Gig Harbor (Mark Wieczorek) - 2011 - 79:06.11

15.   179.0 - Joel Ferris (Mike Hadway) - 2009 - 79:10.49

16.   178.9 - Joel Ferris (Mike Hadway) - 2005 - 79:11.62

17.   178.5 - University (Bob Barbero) - 1998 - 79:18.06

18.   178.0 - Kamiakin (Matt Rexus) - 2012 - 79:25.45

19.   177.7 - Mead (Pat Tyson) - 2001 - 79:30.10

20.   177.5 - Kamiakin (Matt Rexus) - 2011 - 79:33.23

21.   177.5 - Central Valley (James Berry) - 2006 - 79:33.59

22.   177.4 - Seattle Prep (Doc Robertson) - 2011 - 79:34.33

23.   177.4 - Mead (Pat Tyson) - 2005 - 79:35.04

24.   177.3 - Mead (Pat Tyson) - 1994 - 79:36.34

25.   177.2 - Mead (Pat Tyson) - 2002 - 79:37.08

26.   177.1 - Central Valley (Kieran Mahoney) - 2012 - 79:39.64

27.   177.0 - Eisenhower (Phil English) - 2011 - 79:40.14

28.   176.9 - Seattle Prep (Doc Robertson) - 2012 - 79:41.52

29.   176.5 - Eisenhower (Phil English) - 2004 - 79:48.25

30.   176.2 - Mead (Pat Tyson) - 2004 - 79:52.23

 

Girls Top 30 Team Times/Average Ratings –

1.       126.5 - Camas (Mike Hickey) - 2012 - 92:07.09

2.       121.9 - Glacier Peak (Dan Parker) - 2012 - 93:15.26

3.       121.1 - Glacier Peak (Dan Parker) - 2010 - 93:27.30

4.       118.6 - Glacier Peak (Dan Parker) - 2011 - 94:05.37

5.       118.2 - Gig Harbor (Patty Ley) - 2005 - 94:10.60

6.       117.6 - Snohomish (Dan Parker) - 2003 - 94:19.64

7.       117.3 - Mt. Spokane (Sean Linder) - 2005 - 94:23.29

8.       116.8 - Joel Ferris (???) - 1991 - 94:31.23

9.       116.2 - Gig Harbor (Patty Ley) - 2006 - 94:40.28

10.   116.0 - Camas (Mike Hickey) - 2011 - 94:43.00

11.   115.9 - Tahoma (Jeff Brady) - 2012 - 94:44.88

12.   115.4 - Thomas Jefferson (Paul Ruston) - 2006 - 94:52.81

13.   115.1 - Gig Harbor (Patty Ley) - 2007 - 94:56.66

14.   114.9 - Bellarmine Prep (Matt Ellis) - 2004 - 94:59.91

15.   114.8 - Rogers-Spokane (???) - 1990 - 95:01.52

16.   112.2 - Snohomish (Dan Parker) - 1995 - 95:39.94

17.   112.1 - Gig Harbor (Patty Ley) - 2004 - 95:40.72

18.   112.1 - Eisenhower (Phil English) - 1994 - 95:41.37

19.   112.0 - Shadle Park (Bob Isitt) - 2009 - 95:41.72

20.   111.7 - Bellarmine Prep (Matt Ellis) - 2012 - 95:47.49

21.   111.6 - Redmond (Denis Villeneuve) - 2011 - 95:47.95

22.   111.6 - Tahoma (Jeff Brady) - 2011 - 95:47.95

23.   111.6 - Bellarmine Prep (Matt Ellis) - 2003 - 95:48.74

24.   111.4 - Sehome (Mark Kerr & Kevin Ryan) - 2012 - 95:50.77

25.   110.7 - West Valley-Yakima (???) - 2005 - 96:01.87

26.   110.6 - Eisenhower (Phil English) - 1995 - 96:02.62

27.   110.6 - Joel Ferris (???) - 1995 - 96:02.62

28.   110.3 - Glacier Peak (Dan Parker) - 2009 - 96:07.67

29.   110.3 - Thomas Jefferson (Paul Ruston) - 2005 - 96:07.73

30.   110.2 - Bellarmine Prep (Matt Ellis) - 2006 - 96:09.01

 

 

Scoring of the 25 fastest boys teams –

1.       204.0 – North Central 2008 (NXN#1)

2.       222.5 – Joel Ferris 2006 (NXN#3)

3.       225.0 – Mead 1993 (Marc Bloom/Harrier US#1)

4.       241.0 - North Central 2012 (NXN#3)

5.       259.0 – Mead 1992 (Marc Bloom/Harrier US#1)

6.       265.5 – North Central 2009 (NXN#7)

7.       288.0 – Mead 1989 (Marc Bloom/Harrier US#3)

8.       291.0 – North Central 2010 (NXN#6)

9.       293.0 – Mead 1988

10.   295.0 – Mead 2006 (NTN#5)

11.   317.0 – North Central 2007 (NXN#6)

12.   317.0 – Joel Ferris 2004 (NTN#13)

13.   323.0 – North Central 2011 (NXN#7)

14.   326.0 – Gig Harbor 2011 (NXN#15)

15.   335.5 – Joel Ferris 2009 (NXN#3)

16.   347.0 – Mead 2002 (Marc Bloom/Harrier US#13)

17.   347.5 – Joel Ferris 2005 (NTN#10)

18.   356.0 – University 1998 (Marc Bloom/Harrier US#11)

19.   356.5 – Central Valley 2006

20.   359.0 – Kamiakin 2012 (NXN#7)

21.   359.0 – Mead 2001 (Marc Bloom/Harrier US#7)

22.   371.0 – Seattle Prep 2011 (DNQ for NXN; ESPN/Dyestat US#18)

23.   381.0 – Mead 1994 (Marc Bloom/Harrier US#7)

24.   387.5 – Mead 2005 (NTN#4)

25.   408.0 – Kamiakin 2011 (DNQ for NXN; ESPN/Dyestat US#32)

 

 

Scoring of the 25 fastest girls teams –

1.       163.0 – Camas 2012 (NXN#13)

2.       248.0 – Gig Harbor 2005 (NTN#7)

3.       257.0 – Glacier Peak 2010 (DNQ for NXN; ESPN/Dyestat US#13)

4.       261.5 – Snohomish 2003 (Marc Bloom/Harrier US#8)

5.       278.0 – Joel Ferris 1991 (Marc Bloom/Harrier US#5)

6.       293.0 – Tahoma 2012

7.       295.0 – Glacier Peak 2011 (NXN#16)

8.       296.0 – Gig Harbor 2006

9.       300.0 – Bellarmine Prep 2004 (NTN#4)

10.   300.0 – Glacier Peak 2012

11.   303.0 – Gig Harbor 2007

12.   307.0 – Camas 2011 (DNQ for NXN; ESPN/Dyestat US#30)

13.   313.0 – Mount Spokane 2005

14.   324.0 – John Rogers-Spokane 1990 (Marc Bloom/Harrier US#3)

15.   324.0 – Thomas Jefferson 2006

16.   347.0 – Shadle Park 2009 (ESPN/Dyestat US#25)

17.   349.0 – Gig Harbor 2004

18.   350.0 – Eisenhower 1994

19.   359.0 – Snohomish 1995 (Marc Bloom/Harrier US#17)

20.   359.0 – Bellarmine Prep 2012

21.   360.0 – Tahoma 2011 (DNQ for NXN; ESPN/Dyestat US#39)

22.   365.0 – Redmond 2011

23.   370.0 – Sehome 2012

24.   375.5 – Bellarmine Prep 2003

25.   378.0 – West Valley-Yakima 2005

 

I may try to retroactively figure out some national rankings prior to when I started doing official ones for Dyestat in 2008, but until then my 2008+ national rankings, 1989-2003 Harrier rankings and NTN/NXN Nationals finishes will have to do – apologies to those teams that didn’t get invited to Portland, or that weren’t included in other rankings.